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    Shop Talk Live

    STL247: Drop the baseline

    Mike and Ben discuss getting rid of marking gauge lines on dovetails, how long their blades last, more apron and pencil preferences, and why Mike has a day job.

    Aug 13, 2021

    This episode is sponsored by Pony/Jorgensen

    Question 1:

    From Scott:
    With your skills of making furniture what made you decide to not pursue being a full time woodworker?

    Nancy Hiller’s Reality Check(list)

    If you’re thinking of turning your passion into a profession you should take a deep look at what is involved in running a legitimate business.

    Question 2:

    From Steve:
    I was listening to episode 211 and am convinced that I need an apron and Blackwing 602 in my life. During the episode, Mike mentioned that he’s trying out new ideas for apron pocket configuration. He also mentioned that he was trying 3 different pencil sharpeners for his 602 pencil. Since it’s been about a year since those comments, does Mike have any updates? Was there a winning pencil sharpener? Does he like his apron pockets?

    STL211: Woodworker’s aprons

    Mike, Barry, and Ben discuss planing wood at an angle, whether it’s worth restoring old homeowner-grade machinery, and the do’s and don’ts of prefinishing. Then they get pretty geeky about aprons and pencils.

    Question 3:

    From Matthew:
    I have heard y’all talk of the life span of your bandsaw and tablesaw blades. I am in awe of the lifespan you guys talk about. Granted, I am using big box store blades, but I am curious if you could give helpful tips to us amateurs on how to prolong the lifespan of our saw blades.  

    dirty tablesaw blades

    Go clean your blades!

    Apart from reducing your cut quality, dirt and resin will dull your blades prematurely.



    Segments:

    Ben’s Smooth move – Not taking a second pass over the dado stack when rabbeting a long piece.

    Mike’s favorite tool – Antique whale-tale c-clamps

    Question 4:

    From Scott:
    I often see woodworkers mark their joinery with a marking gauge leaving a visible line in the finished piece. I do not like the look of that line. How do you get rid of that marking gauge line? If you plane it away, often the joint won’t fit.

    Blanket Chest by Hand

    Hand tools and white pine make it a treat to build this country classic

    Why Leave Marks on Dovetails?

    Q: I don’t understand why people leave a layout line marking the tails on a dovetail joint.

    Recommendations:

    Ben – Follow more local woodworkers on social media

    Mike – 100 Foot Wave on HBO


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    Comments

    1. User avater
      user-7737453 | Aug 15, 2021 05:04pm | #1

      As if there can be anything left to be said about pencils - I'll put a plug in for the Dixon Ticonderoga TriWrite No. 2. Looks to have the cedar body, takes well to sharpening, and the three-sided body is comfortable in the hand and stays where its put down. And of course there is the whole related topic of mechanical pencils.

    2. user-4830414 | Aug 16, 2021 08:42pm | #2

      What are whale tail clamps?

      1. Rusty_Tools | Aug 20, 2021 08:39am | #3

        It's a "C" clamp with a flat key or whale tail shaped handle as opposed to those with a rod like sliding "T" handle. Ebay and other second hand tool sellers will usually have a variety of stiles.

    3. User avater
      weathbu | Sep 26, 2021 04:50pm | #4

      Firstly, I love listening to Shop Talk Live! My previous experience with sending in a question was answered on your podcast, It was about band saw drift. Which by the way, the question was totally not answered. Or I should say it was answered but whoever was on the show that day did not agree on the right answer.
      Listening to episode 247 I had to respond. The first segment of why Mike is not a full time woodworker followed by the segment on pencils seemed a good segue. No one trying to make a living woodworking is going to spend several minutes with a two hole sharpener everytime they need to sharpen a pencil. Nor will they use $2.00 pencils. That being said I’m a big fan of the Blackwing pencils I’ve been using them for sketching and drawing for many years. I personally prefer the Palomino to the 602. For the shop I prefer General Cedar Tip (approx. 75 cents) I also have at least a dozen pencil sharpeners in my drawing kit including the Blackwing (it’s an amazing machine) but in my shop I have two Panasonic old school office electric pencil sharpeners. The work extremely well and they are very quick.

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